Beyond Crafting: Creating Your Most Inspired Life.

Meet Kim: Building a Business From the Ground Up, Even While Battling Mental Illness.

June 15, 2020 Holli Mostella Season 1 Episode 4
Beyond Crafting: Creating Your Most Inspired Life.
Meet Kim: Building a Business From the Ground Up, Even While Battling Mental Illness.
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Beyond Crafting: Creating Your Most Inspired Life.
Meet Kim: Building a Business From the Ground Up, Even While Battling Mental Illness.
Jun 15, 2020 Season 1 Episode 4
Holli Mostella

This episode I’m going to introduce you to Kim, from Sweet Red Poppy. She’s an amazing woman with a dark history that wears a constant smile on her face. She built her business from the group up, all while taking care of 3 children under 3. Let's hear Kim’s story.

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Audio by Britt Burns 


Show Notes Transcript

This episode I’m going to introduce you to Kim, from Sweet Red Poppy. She’s an amazing woman with a dark history that wears a constant smile on her face. She built her business from the group up, all while taking care of 3 children under 3. Let's hear Kim’s story.

Support the Show: http://patreon.com/hollimostella
Write to me on Instagram: http://instagram.com/hollimostella

Audio by Britt Burns 


Support the show (http://patreon.com/hollimostella)

Unknown Speaker :

Welcome to my empire of self love, inspiration and encouragement, where I hope to encourage you in an outside of the craft room or if you're like me for many years beyond the kitchen table. This is beyond crafting.

Holli Mostella :

This episode I'm going to introduce you too Kim from sweet red Poppy. She's an amazing woman with a dark history, but she wears a constant smile on her face. She built her business from the ground up all while taking care of three children under three. Let's hear Kim's story. Kevin, thank you so much for joining me I'm so excited to have you on because I feel like you are one of the most most supportive, inspiring people in our crafting community. I feel like you do so much to build people up and to encourage people to follow their dreams no matter what it may be. Tell me about your life pre blogging, what did you do before starting your business?

Kimberly Coffin :

Well, thank you for having me, Holli, you are so sweet. And I am so excited to get to share more about sweet red Poppy. So, pre blogging, we're going to throw it all the way back to 2010, which is when I got married at a very, very young age of 18. So I actually met my husband at Olive Garden, which is a funny story, but that is a story for another time. So we went to college together, and that's where I earned my bachelor's degree and marriage and family therapy. But I also minored in clothing construction. So while I was at college, I took every single sewing class that I I could get into. And even though I had learned to sew earlier, from my mother and my grandmother, it was kind of like a family thing. And college was really where I gained that deeper understanding of like correct technique, and I gained the ability to create more advanced projects. So that was where kind of that like creativity was really sparked within me. So after we graduated, we moved to Dallas, Texas. And then after that, we moved again to the Bay Area. Side note, we have moved 11 times in the past 10 years, which is just craziness going back and we had three kids and three years between 2013 and 2016. And it was like total crazy town. But during that time, I was testing different sewing patterns for companies and different designers. And it was a really fun creative outlet for me while I was a stay at home mother to three kids under the age of three, and then in 2017, I finally started sweet red Poppy. And ever since then it has just been like busy busy busy.

Unknown Speaker :

Tell me about your identity separating from sweet red Poppy. Do you prefer for people to address you by Kim? Or do you like to just be addressed by sweet red poppy? Because when I'm talking to Matt, he knows you. Yeah, you become a personal friend, but I'll be like, look what sweet red poppy has posted.

Kimberly Coffin :

I think it always catches me off guard when someone like calls me sweet red Poppy, because I don't know why I'm surprised that they know what my blog is. But it always surprises me but a lot of people do call me Poppy. Like they think that poppy is my name.

Unknown Speaker :

And that doesn't bother me at all. That that's just fine but I love it when people call me Kim or Kimberly Yeah, cuz your son recently discovered that oh my goodness, Holly, it was so funny last night. We were just sitting at the dining room table and it was probably 10 o'clock. My child, he just doesn't sleep. I don't know. Oh, no way. He just loves to drive me crazy. And I was trying to convince him I was like, you have to go to bed because mommy has to work. And he's like, Oh, yeah, your boss, sweet red Poppy. She's really mean. And I just started laughing and I said, What do you mean my boss, sweet red Poppy. And he goes, you know your boss, your friend, sweet red Poppy. And I had to break it to them. I am sweet red puppy. And he's he still does it. He's still like coming to terms with it. That's so sweet. And how all the same is five. And he's just a little firecracker. He's hilarious. Okay, so you have him he's five and then you have two others. How old are they? You do so Madeline is six and then Vivian is four. And your little boy's name is Lincoln. Sorry. And I love when you feature them on your Instagram stories. I feel like it kind of gives a little bit of the back side of crafting. One thing I also love that you share on your Instagram Stories is kind of Instagram versus reality you show your craft room a complete wreck. Yeah, you do. And I just think that that makes people realize because if you watch your videos, they're so polished. They're so broad. They're so aesthetically pleasing. But in reality, it's truly one of those things where this is just the face of Instagram. There's a lot that goes on behind it. There's so much more that's going on behind the scenes that you don't get to see if you just scroll through Instagram and that's true for everyone. And I love like one of my just one of the things that gets me excited is Creating a beautiful video, like almost more than crafting, sometimes I'm like, I'm going to create this beautiful video and it's going to be like, the lighting is going to be great and the colors are going to be exciting. And so sometimes I forget, like I get so focused on creating a beautiful video that you don't see everything else and I try my best in my stories at least, just to share like, Okay, this is my bathroom that is no longer about the room because it is filled with craft supplies. So it's fun, it's a little bit crazy, but you know, there's a lot more going on in the background. I love that you build sweet red poppy from the ground up. So take me through the journey of creating your business. Okay, so this is a long one, but I'm going to take you all the way back to 2014. This was when I was still in college. I took a semester off because my husband needed to complete his internship so we just up and move to a brand new city. For the very first time ever, I was home all alone with Madeline and, and this was a huge transition for me. It was really big like going from being in school full time to being full time stay at home mom. And I pretty quickly realized just how important it was for me personally, personally to have some sort of a creative outlet. So I created an Etsy store and I started selling little girls ruffled dresses and robbers and they were sister sets, and it was so much fun. It was insanely busy. I even had my husband, he was fulfilling orders and shipping them on his way to work and he was sewing at night it was hilarious. Eventually, my husband's internship came to an end and I had to close my Etsy shop so that I could finish up that final semester of college. My final semester of college was my internship and I did an internship at a women's center. So this was a place that helped women and children. who had been victims of domestic violence and sexual assault? And this experience for me it was just life changing. I got to sit in on counseling sessions with these women. I filed police reports I helped them move into shelters after they had been assaulted. And I went to court with them. I watched their children's as as they grieved, and my heart broke so much just seeing your worlds being ripped apart. But I was so proud watching these women dig down deep, so so deep for strength that they didn't even know that they had and that experience Holly that is where my passion for sharing about mental illness and advocating for women. That's where it really started and we're going to talk about that a little bit more later. But I'm gonna Hop forward. So after I completed that internship and my bachelor's degree, we ended up moving again. And surprise I had another baby. Have I told you that story before about how Lincoln was a surprise baby? Oh, tell me. Okay, so when we were on our internship, so I have just imagined me with like a four month old bouncing on my head, and they just keep getting food poisoning over and over and over and for the life of me, I can't figure out why I keep getting food. So get this. I was on birth control. I was breastfeeding, like 99% abstinent. Um, you know, like all the things like we were protecting multiple, multiple ways. Surprise, Lincoln. So yeah, my husband went to the store, got a pregnancy test. Turns out, I was pregnant, and I also had a four month old. So fun time. That was Lincoln, Todd Lincoln, and then we moved to California. And when I was in California, so I was, again, a stay at home mom and I just started falling in love with photography. I knew that I really, really wanted to start a blog. But I set a goal for myself. And I said, you have to learn how to take photos on a DSLR on manual mode before I can start it. And so I did a deep dive if you know me, I'm a deep diver, if there's like a new topic, I don't know about, I will just go and sponge up all the information that I can and learn everything. And so I did what I could. And then I launched my blog. From there, I started working with different companies, I did sponsored content. And I really began just growing those social channels. So Facebook, Instagram, and all of those different things. And eventually, like probably about a year into that process, I figured out that you can monetize your blog. I really I just started out as a hobby, not knowing that I had the ability to even make money from it. So I found out I Do that. So I monetized it. I installed ads on my blog, I taught myself SEO, I started studying keywords and how to rank for pageviews. And on Google, all these different things. And then in 2018, I caught the video bug. So deep dive again. I figured out how quickly video could grow all of my social media accounts so much faster than just posting a photo because someone can actually get to know you in a video. You can have such a different relationship by creating a video that has been really probably sweet red poppies biggest model is video across all social platforms. And that's how we've grown as quickly as we have. You've had quite a few videos go viral. What do you think made? Those videos go viral when they did because when I'm talking about viral they went big viral? Yes, I think there are a few key elements you need for a viral video. First off, you have to Have a wow factor. And the wow factor can come in a few different ways like it can be, well, those that's the most amazing color combination I've ever seen, or the wow factor can be like, Wow, I've never seen anyone do that, or Wow, it's super hard. And then I also think it has to be short, because people have a short attention span. And that's just today's world. And then it has to be like timely, it just, it needs to be something that's on trend or something people are excited about. I feel like there's like two to three different key factors that you have to have. You've always been a huge advocate of supporting other crafters and creators. But what would you tell someone that is discouraged to get into the industry? Because they feel like there's not enough room for them? I love this question, Holly. From the beginning of building sweet puppy. I really tried to adopt the abundance mentality and that is The opposite of the scarcity mindset. What it means is that there is enough to go around for everyone. And I really do believe there's an infinite amount of money to be made, and that someone else's success does not take away from my own. I think a percent, right. And we've seen this with you and I, and that's I think, why our friendship has been so successful is because we both believe that we have unique skills and we have unique abilities and we can all create and share our talents with the world. And there's not a finite amount of resources. That's the best part. I think I would remind people to be kind to themselves and just embrace your own journey and not the journey of others. focus on improving yourself, become a better version of yourself, share those talents with the world. If the fear of failure is keeping you from starting a blog, I know that it it stopped me for a while. You have to just let go of that need for perfection because surprised you're gonna have failures. And you know what failure is where we learn the very, very, very most. It's how we gain our strength. It's how we learn, to be resilient to pivot and to grow. So my advice to someone would be, don't be afraid of failure and let go of the need for perfection when you launch your blog. It's not going to be perfect. And that is okay. It's totally okay. starting a blog is going to be this long journey. And it's going to require constant learning and growing, so be okay with it not being perfect. I feel like some people use that perfectionism and it drives them into a hole of discouragement. I feel like it's important for us as creators, to let people know that not every project we make is perfect. Not every video we make is perfect. Not every post we make is perfect. It's just an important to keep sharing. Yes, keep going, even if it's not perfect. I've had so many craft fails and mishaps and videos that I was embarrassed by and it's okay because I was able to learn from every single experience and you will too. But don't, don't let the fear of failure stop you from creating, you just have to keep going. So take me through your mental health journey because this is one thing that really connected us on a deeper friendship level. We connected because we liked each other's feeds. But your mental health journey was so much deeper than I ever could have imagined when you just reached out and said, Hey, I really liked your Instagram. I really liked your projects. I didn't know that you had that past about you. And then you started opening up a little bit more and a little bit more. Until finally one day you you really gave a lot have insight on your Instagram about your own personal journey. So for those that weren't there for that, walk me through your mental illness. So I think what's weird puppy, people see this polished version of me, and that and that's what you saw when we first met. And that's because I built my business around, trying to be an expert in different areas of crafting and I wanted my audience to know that they could come to me and they could count on me for thorough information and crafting expertise. But if you look closer, like you said, you'll find in my stories and my captions in my posts, little glimpses behind the scenes into how I've dealt with my postpartum depression, and even my ongoing anxiety, which I still battle with every single day. My mental illness has played such a big role in my business and so I didn't want to keep that a secret from my audience. And I don't know if this is a real thing. But I feel like so many crafters struggle with mental illness like the more I get to know people, the more I find that there's this common theme of depression and anxiety within our crafting community, and I know you found that as well. And so for me, it's just been so important to share that experience with other people so that they know it's normal, and they're not weird, or something for having these feelings because at first I thought I was weird. I was like, I am the only person feeling this. So I want to just go back in time, and kind of take you through that process of what happened. It's always a little hard, just like reliving those feelings, you know, um, but ah, the very worst part of my postpartum depression was right after I had had my third baby. So that was Fabian. I had started my blog, maybe I'd started my blog when I was pregnant with her. And then after, after having her I had I felt great, like better than I had ever felt. And then suddenly, I had this huge onset of PPD and it was really, really scary. And I think the scariest part was, I didn't know what it was. All of a sudden, I had racing negative thoughts, to the point where I couldn't let my mind rest. I was afraid of irrational things. Like I was afraid of the ceiling fan. I was convinced that the ceiling fan would fall down and it would kill everyone in my home like just the most irrational things, but in my mind, they were so real. And I was terrified. Because of these irrational thoughts, I wasn't sleeping at night and I went days without sleeping. And because I wasn't sleeping like it's just it's just like this trickling effect. Because I wasn't sleeping then I was having these panic attacks. I would have multiple panic attacks every day. And if you haven't experienced a panic attack, let me just explain it for you. It feels like all of a sudden, like, every worry, every emotion you've ever experienced, all comes flooding in at once, to the point where you can't breathe because you're so overwhelmed. And it's like, it's like someone is sitting on your chest, and you literally cannot take a breath, but your heart is racing faster than it's ever raced in your whole life. It's like, it's like the whole world is just caving in. And I didn't, I didn't know what that was. When they first started. I just knew that it felt terrible and that I felt like I was losing control. And I had these three beautiful sweet babies that were everything to me. And I felt like I was failing them. And that feeling for me, like being someone who is a perfectionist who has always wanted things To look perfect and feel perfect, and to feel like I was feeling my children, I was just robbed of all joy because I felt like a failure and know that those feelings went on for weeks. Unfortunately because my husband and I didn't know what it was. And it got to the point where I wasn't leaving the house I wouldn't see my friends I I was scared to turn on the stove because I was convinced it was gonna burn down our house. I couldn't leave the house because I thought my kids would be kidnapped I I stopped seeing all my friends because I was so embarrassed by these panic attacks and I didn't want someone to think like, Oh, she has three kids and she can't get her crap together. I was just like, mortified by the entire experience and the tipping point. The Tipping Point was I was driving my three kids. I was driving man, the lightest to preschool one day, and I had a lot of negative, really negative thoughts. And this thought just kept coming through my mind to make it out stop. And the only way that I could think of to make it all stop was to just crash my car into traffic. And that thought was the most powerful thought I have ever had in my life. And it was so real and it was over and over and over and it wouldn't stop. And they did. I swerved the other way at the West crusher car, they pulled off on the side of the road, and I just cried because I didn't know what was wrong or why that was happening. And luckily, I had a sweet, sweet lady from church who just decided just to check up on me at two I was able to tell me that what I was going through was postpartum depression and anxiety and that that I wasn't the only person experiencing this and that it was normal. It happens to a lot of people and it doesn't mean that you're a bad mom, not at all. And I went to the very next day Hi, I want to make this really clear. If you're having these feelings and these thoughts and you're going through this, you need to get help right away like immediately call a psychologist because they will get you in immediately if if you have thoughts of hurting yourself. And so the very next day, I saw a psychologist and I saw a psychiatrist and I saw a nurse and I saw a doctor and I, even though this sweet friend of mine had told me these feelings were something that a lot of people went through. I was still so mortified and embarrassed that this was me that I was This, that I was mentally ill, and that I couldn't cope with my own life I was I was just really hard for me. I got on medication, which for me was absolutely life changing. And I had to change a ton of different things. I had to, for the first time in my life, ask for help and rely on my neighbors and my friends and realize that I couldn't do everything alone, but it was too much. And that that was okay. Which was really hard for me because I love just being able to do everything. But this was one of those lessons that God gave me where he was like, wake up, Kim, you can't do everything on your own. And more than that, when you try to do everything on your own, you rob all of the people around you from serving. And I had to learn that it's okay for people to serve me and that this was a time in my life. When People were going to help me and that was going to be okay. And my time to give back would be later. I think that was the hardest, hardest, hardest mindset. mind shift for me was just being okay with not being okay. Really. But it got better. It was slow. It was a slow process. I went on medication immediately. I got a babysitter who started helping out with my kids. I started exercising, I changed the way that I was eating, I made sure that I was getting sun every day, which sounds silly, but vitamin D plays a huge part in depression and anxiety. So I went outside and I walked every day and I took off this pressure that I have placed on myself of needing to be perfect and I relearned How to just be okay with whatever I was in whatever form I was. And it was just a huge mind, mindset shift for me over the over the next few months, and I was still having panic attacks. But I learned coping mechanisms to better deal with them. And I was still having, you know, some of those intrusive thoughts, but it got better and it kept getting better. But it's hard. Oh, Holly, and I think one of the reasons you know, you and I connected is because we have this shared history of depression and mental illness where it's like, it feels like our minds betrayed us. I mean, you you've experienced that. And it's so hard to have these thoughts that, you know, those thoughts aren't your own and yet, they just pummel you over and over and over until you want to give up But you can't give up because you have these sweet, precious little babies that you love more than anything in the world. And for me, that was what kept me going every day, even though I had those dark thoughts of ending things all the time. And it's hard. And I think, yeah, someone could look at my Instagram and not see that at all. And that's why, over and over and over, I just try to share that with whoever I can. Had you dealt with depression before the postpartum depression, or was that your first real taste of the darkness? I had, but I didn't know that it was depression. And I think I think a lot of women are underserved in that area, by different professionals in that we just don't do enough in this country to tell people what to do. depression and anxiety is there isn't enough education about it, there isn't enough help. And so I had postpartum depression and anxiety with my other two children. I had panic attacks. I had terrible thoughts. It just didn't get to the point where I had to get help. Yeah, I did go through all of those things. And I struggled and I have times in Madeline and Lincoln's lives that I just don't remember because it was so bad that I just blocked it out. But it was never as bad as with Vivian. And what I would give to go back and just tell myself like, it's all going to be okay and here's what you're struggling with. And you're going to get through it. If you feel like you're reaching out and screaming for help. And nobody is hearing you that if you can't find another resource, get yourself to the emergency room. Tell them your intentions. Tell them your thoughts, if nothing else and they will be able to help you Don't be don't think you're being silly. You're not being silly. If you have a thought about hurting yourself, you go and you get the help you need right away. Absolutely. That was a few years ago. Tell me about your mental health. Now, because we've talked over, I know that both of us get stressed out around the holidays because we try to push out as much help as possible. And we get stressed out at different times of the year, sometimes I'll be really depressed and call you for help and you'll be in a good place where you can help me and vice versa. So we go up, we have up and downs but tell me about your general mental health now. So generally, I hang out more on the anxiety side than the depression side. For me. It's just constant, like the battle with perfectionism that we talked about. I think that that is all tied to anxiety. It's this pressure that my mind places on myself that have to be perfect. And they have to look a certain way. And I have to act a certain way. And it's exhausting. There's no other way to put it lightly. That anxiety is exhausting, because your mind doesn't stop racing. What's interesting to me is like, Holly, you'll deal with depression. And when you deal with depression, you kind of go dark, like you won't be on social media as much, and you'll go quiet. And then I will usually reach out to you like, Hey, I haven't heard from you in a little while. How are things doing? And I'm on the opposite end, where when my anxiety gets really bad, I don't sleep. I don't want to eat. Suddenly, I'm on Instagram all hours of the night. And I'm probably cranking out like five blog posts a week. And Holly's like, what the heck are you doing? You're on fire and I'm like, No, I'm dying. My anxiety is so high that I can't sleep. It's just so interesting to me how mental illness can come out in different ways for different people. For me, I don't get stuck in bed. I literally can't stay in bed and sometimes I wish I could. So I think it's important just to understand mental illness shows up in different ways in different people. So keep an eye out for that if one of your friends who's you know, normally just pretty chill is all of a sudden, like, you know, cleaning the whole inside of our house and outside and just go, go, go, go, go, maybe something's going on. So for me, it's the anxiety that I hang out with more and then yeah, like you said earlier, in the wintertime, I will get a little bout of depression where I just get, like the seasonal blues. And that's, that was hard for me, explained to me exactly what a blogger is and what a blogger does. Well, I think a blogger can have different meanings to different people, but for the most part, I think that is someone who shares a post. Now post Could be a tutorial, it could be a story. It could really be whatever you want it to be. But they're sharing content with the world in hopes of helping them in some way, or teaching them or sharing their expertise, and then maybe you share it on a blog. Maybe you share it on YouTube, maybe it's on Instagram or Facebook. I think blogging is really this term that can cover a wide variety of different things. And what would you say to the people that say, blogging is becoming outdated because clearly it's not. It's clearly very still sought after, because you've got to think if you go on to Google and you search, how to use a cricket. Those blog posts are the posts that are coming up. So I have a lot of people in my patreon family that want to start a blog. But they get discouraged when outsiders tell them blogging is on the outs. I have definitely heard this over and over blogging is dying and I don't see it, I see that channels with video are growing. So I understand that YouTube is growing and Facebook with video is growing and Instagram with you with video is growing. And I totally understand that. And yet my blog grows and grows and grows because there's certain type of content that I think people prefer to read and tutorials. It's nice to have a printable or read a readable version of a tutorial. So I don't think that that's ever going to go away, especially in the format that we're presenting content. So I wouldn't be worried about that. But I would say you might need to pivot and that's the thing that I've noticed since I started sweet red poppy is that you're constantly pivoting and that's okay. So one platform might take precedence over the other and you just have To kind of feel that out and see as you go, if you're going to start a blog, I'd say you probably want to learn how to do video. So that that's just one of those things that is really important right now, at a deep, a much deeper understanding for your audience and your readers. So tell me a couple of video tips that you would give beginners. Okay, Video Tips. So, the great thing about video is that anyone can do video. And that's what's exciting. You don't need fancy equipment, you can use your phone, you can use your phone, you can tape it to a wall, you can tape it to the ceiling. I know this sounds crazy, but I'm serious. Anybody can do video. All you need to do is find a flat surface. You can cover it with a piece of vinyl or a piece of poster board that you could find at a craft store. And then put it up next to a big bright window. And then create your tutorial right there on that poster board next to your big one. You want nice bright light. And you just you're going to shoot your video, you're going to edit it and you're going to learn every single time that you make a video. So don't don't expect it to be perfect the first time, it's not going to be perfect. Just know that every time you make a video, you're learning and you're growing and it's getting better. I do have to go back to the beginning, because this is something that I share every time we have these chats. And I have to bring this back up. Tell me about Josh sleeping in the laundry room. Okay. Ah, so when we moved to Utah, like, move 5001 and we moved into this cute little townhouse, and that had maybe three bedrooms and we had three kids plus Josh and I and at that time I didn't really know what sweet red poppy was. But a few months after we moved in, it just started growing like crazy. I got contacted by multiple brands to do sponsored content. And all of a sudden, this thing that had been a hobby blog was now a business. And I didn't have anywhere for that business. I didn't have an extra room, we have this small town house. And so it started out in my bedroom and it was just some like one wall of my bedroom. I had my sewing cabinet and some fabric. And then all of a sudden, I told you guys earlier I got the video bug. And so I bought a tripod and I bought some lights, and I bought a table and all of a sudden my bedroom just like kept creeping over and over. And one day I was talking to my husband and I was like, Hey, what do you think about like moving our furniture out of the bedroom and he put his foot down? He was like, no way. We're not doing that. And so I made have waited until he went out of town on a business trip. And I just like put it in the basement and I was like, Okay, I need more space in here because I'm shooting content and I'm trying to create this business. And so what I would do was I would prop up our bed every morning on like the side of the wall, and I would shoot our content in our bedroom. Finally, Josh got so sick of it that he just like, moved into the lunch. And he just, he just put this foam pad on the laundry room floor and he started sleeping there. But he was so sweet. He was so supportive of my, my kind of craziness. I would say my anxiety was at a peak during that time. But he was so sweet and supportive. He was like, You know what, I'm just gonna sleep in this other rooms. You have more space because I switched The beds too, I forgot to tell you that. I switched our king size bed out with my son's bed. So I think we were on like a full size bed at that point. He was a champ, he really took one for the team while we lived there slept on the laundry room floor. What is one piece of advice that you would give crafters that they're afraid to take their business to the next level? The advice I would give someone who's afraid to take their business to the next level would be just start. Again, like we talked about earlier, don't be afraid of failure. It's okay to fail, because failure is what teaches us so I would say focus on helping others. How are you going to add value in the world with the skills that you have? And I think the more that you share those skills with the world, the more that people will be drawn to you and your work. So don't be afraid. Just go ahead and get started. And if you fail, you'll learn from that failure. You'll become better because of it. Tell me one of your biggest business tips. My biggest business tip would be focus on creating high quality content. I really believe that if you are creating amazing content and you're sharing that good into the world that that same good will come back to you, your following is going to increase organically because you are giving your audience so much value. So find out what it is that you're really good at. Not what someone else in the Instagram Facebook world is good at and figure out how to share your talent with the world. Don't get sidetracked by what someone else is doing. I think I made that mistake early on, like so and so's doing so good at this thing and I'm gonna do the same thing as them. But that wasn't me. And if you're trying to be someone else, it's not going to resonate with your audience. Stay true to who you are. Share your own personal story. Because people, they want to get to know you. And they want to know what it is about you that makes you so special. So I think, focus on that high quality content, because it's going to set you apart from other people in this industry and focus on being you, because that will resonate with your audience. I love that so much. And I love this episode so much. We have laughed and we have cried and we have learned things about you that with our three years of friendship, yeah, um, that I didn't know before. So thank you so much for having me home. And thank you for letting me share my story and also just for being such an advocate of women and mental health. I just love what you're doing and I'm so so proud of you. Thank you. It means the world To me, how can we find you? sweet red puppy and get social with you.